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Page 8-the Dafly^egtan-April 6,1880 r Letters to the Editor Mandel continued from page 3 are* their armed forces from the following list of countries into which they had pursued the Nazis: Norway (Finn- mark Province), Finland, Denmark (Bomholm Island, very large), Czecho¬ slovakia (to which they returned over 20 years later). Yugoslavia, Iran (the only casein which, there was sny controversy over their withdrawal), China (Man¬ churia, where they allowed our planes to replace them with Chiang Kai-shek's anti-Communist forces), and, shortly - afterward, Korea (before the Korean War). -.:' You may verify this by going to the Fresno State library and looking through the files of the N.Y. Times or any other source'of that day you please. Don't look in later sources because we have simply 'forgotten* that in history books as part of the Cold War. Nothing but a third world war could have forced the Red Army out against Moscow's will. .';•; ' ' —:— Such a war was politically impossible because the people of the West were grateful to the Soviets for having saved them millions of casunrben. As early as 1942, long before the Allies landed in France and before Lend-Lease was able to-reach the USSR in quantity, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill said: 'Russia has already inflicted injuries upon the German military organism which will, I believe, prove ultimately fatal.' This gratitude created serious political difficulties when the U.S. launched the Cold War in the hope of proceeding to a hot war that would wipe off the face of the earth the communist alternative to the capitalist system. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, the Brzezinski of his day, wrote in the 1960s: 'To compel the country to bear the burden involved - in mnmiainino; powerful armed forces, it is necessary to create an emotional" atmosphere resembling the psychologi¬ cal conditions of wartime. The notion of a threat from without must be cre¬ ated." He bad admitted earlier that no such threat existed, in a speech of March 8, 1949: "So far as it is humanly possible to judge, the Soviet government, under conditions now prevailing, does not con¬ template the use of war as an instrument of its national policy. "I do not know any responsible high official, military or civilian, of this government or any government, woo believes that the Soviet state now plans conquest by open military aggression.* (my emphasis—W. M.) As I read history, it was Dulles' plan for U.S. "conquest by open military aggression,.* which we now know, as first-strike policy, that faced the Russians to take their action in Czecho¬ slovakia in 1988, with consequences that have made Europe the. least dangerous place an earth right now in terms of the possibility of world war. . The same holds for Afghanistan Brzezinski, responded to a face-to-face question by U.C. Berkeley student body president Karen Westmont: "So what if there is covert activity by the CIA there?' (Daily Califoraian, 2/19/801. The key to the Afghan situation was pro¬ vided in an article in the Washington Post, 5/13/79, by the man who had been its correspondent in South Asia since. "That's right Get your hooks into a full, three-quarter, half, or partial summer scholarship to the'Academy of Art College. The only bait necessary to catch a live one is your talent If you are a high school, junior college, college, or university student and have a portfolio to show us, you might just land a big one. The scholarships will be awarded and winners will be announced during the first week of June. If you should turn out to be a winner, you'll join us on Monday, June 23.1980. for six weeks of study. Look at it this way, you're not losing a summer, you might just gain a career. WRITE FOR INFORMATION. -This Summer Fish For a Summer Scholarship.* A Academy of Art College * . 625 Sutter St., San Francisco, CA 94102 1982, under the headline "The Shah, not the Kremlin, Touched Off Afghan IBs most important sentence reads: 'Beginning in 1974'... Iran, encouraged by the United States, made a determined effort to draw Kabul into a western tilted, Tehran-centered regional eco¬ nomic and security sphere embracing Pakistan, India, and the Persian Gulf states:* (my emphasis-W.M.) It was five years before the Russians' patience ran out and they acted last December. Would our patience last that' long if Moscow had tried to draw Canada or Mexico into an anti-U.S. alliance? If you're interested in my full documenta¬ tion of Afghanistan, write KPFA, Berkeley (KFCF's home station),.for a copy of its April Folio (free), containing my article, "Brzezinski's Afghan Joke.* Address: 2207 Shattuck Ave., Berkeley 94704. . William M. Mandel Cypher on target TotheEditor; I have been following the letters in the Collegian concerning the 'Panel Discus¬ sion on Soviet Foreign Policy* with little real concern until now. I suppose in a sense I was delighted to see the History Club get some publicity, but I am con¬ cerned with the direction this contro¬ versy is taking. It is one thing to carry on a debate on this very controversial issue, but quite another thing to resort to character attacks and attempts to discredit a per¬ son'a integrity. As President of the History Club, and organizer of the 'Panel Discussion* I feel I must clarify any possible misun¬ derstandings as to the intent of this pop- standings as to the intent of this pro¬ duction. When the History Club was consider¬ ing possible topics to present this sem¬ ester Dr. Jones suggested the timely and controversial subject of Afghanistan. We decided to have it the topic of our first meeting. Having limited knowledge of the subject myself, I asked Dr. Jones who he felt we should invite to partici¬ pate. He suggested Dr. Alfred Evans, Pro, feasor of Political Science; Dr. Robert E. Lee, Professor of Geography; Dickran Kouymjian. Professor of Ethnic Studies: Tires-Tubes-Wheela' CSUF Discount with ID Tjre Corral Inc. Cedar &McKinley 262-0416 CSUF • OPTORlTjOTriES FOR Over $700.00 per month may be yours if you are a junior majoring in math, science or engineering, or with a background in calculus and physics. For an inter¬ view call Robb Ferriman, U.S. Navy Officer Pro- grams in Fresno at 487-5323 or sign up at the placement office. An officer programs rep. will be on campus 19 & 20ofM«rrh 19fif) Dr. Gbofem Dergshi, Prc*Bseor^of Political Science; and Dr. James Cypher, Professor of Eccromcs. The Httbrv Club invited each professor to partici¬ pate. All but one agreed. Dr. Dargahi baffled me with his re- ' fusal to participate. He felt his approach to the subject would be different from the conventional approach and might cause repercussions for turn. _" He felt his position as an Iranian would create controversy as well as hut socialist philosophy. 1 attempted to per- . suade himto participate in order to pre¬ vent a one-sided view of the issue and suggested his participation would cer¬ tainly provide us with useful insight; I tried to convince him that all parties involved would treat the subject with professional integrity and that personal attacks would surely not occur. I bate to admit that he was right. I am afraid that Dr. Cypher's unconventional stance has brought upon him the very repercussions that Dr. Dargahi avoided. - I also recall that we decided that no guidelines would be established which the speakers had 'o follow. In fact we were hoping'that differing views would be presented in order to promote lively discussion. I did, however, ask each pro¬ fessor beforehand how they would approach the subject. I asked Dr. Jones what area he was going to cover. He informed me that his knowledge in the area was limited and that he would rather play the part of moderator. In view of recent letters to the'editor. Dr. Jones must have taken a crash course in Soviet Foreign Policy in Afghanistan. I find it puzzling that he did not take Dr. Cypher to task on sny of the issues be argues now in letters to the editor during the History Club Panel Discus¬ sion. Perhaps at the time he saw the pos¬ itive response from the audience to what Dr. Cypher was saying. Dr. Cypher's approach was not to limit the riiarnwaoii to the morally self-righteous stance that ~5 Americans have taken toward the Soviet Union. He acknowledged the fact of Soviet Imperialism, but he also sug¬ gested that we should consider our own military and eccinornic mteiventianist In my opinion Dr. Cypher was right- on-target. It is extremely dangerous to omtmucwithanattitucleoftumaBl-viaian toward the world-gearing our hatreds to¬ ward the Soviet Union. Hatred toward the United States is rsmpant in the Third World Countries. Maybe we access our own foreign policy. i haven't bean as blatant in our recent interventions. We train SAVAC forces-we don't« own military. I recall another speaker in the discus¬ sion, Dr. Kouymjian, asking why we were so interested with Afghanistan after years of Soviet presence in the area. Why the great interest in the Middle East? In response to la. own question he suggested that oil has deter¬ mined our fcreign policy. We have meddled in the politic* of the area of our suicidal ctofairmiBnce upon petroleum products. He imilml that until we »nsniw«t» this ilrit)lirir**,7i the area will be the hot-bed 0< political unrest. In response to Dr. Jones i that Marxists are not I murders, I say tell me the behind supporting the Shah, or porting Sornosa or Trujillo. TaB me of * humanitarian motives of Imperialism I Sara Preaicient.The'
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Title | 1980_04 The Daily Collegian April 1980 |
Alternative Title | Daily Collegian (California State University, Fresno) |
Publisher | Associated Students of Fresno State, Fresno, Calif. |
Publication Date | 1980 |
Description | Daily (except weedends) during the school year. Microfilm. Palo Alto, Calif.: BMI Library Microfilms, 1986- microfilm reels; 35 mm. Vol.1, no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- |
Subject | California State University, Fresno -- Periodicals. |
Contributors | Associated Students of Fresno State. |
Coverage | Vol.1 no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- to present |
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Title | April 8, 1980, Page 8 |
Alternative Title | Daily Collegian (California State University, Fresno) |
Publisher | Associated Students of Fresno State, Fresno, Calif. |
Publication Date | 1980 |
Description | Daily (except weedends) during the school year. Microfilm. Palo Alto, Calif.: BMI Library Microfilms, 1986- microfilm reels; 35 mm. Vol.1, no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- |
Subject | California State University, Fresno -- Periodicals. |
Contributors | Associated Students of Fresno State. |
Coverage | Vol.1 no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- to present |
Format | Microfilm reels, 35 mm. |
Technical Information | Scanned at 600 dpi; TIFF; Microfilm ScanPro 2000 "E-image data" |
Language | eng |
Full-Text-Search | Page 8-the Dafly^egtan-April 6,1880 r Letters to the Editor Mandel continued from page 3 are* their armed forces from the following list of countries into which they had pursued the Nazis: Norway (Finn- mark Province), Finland, Denmark (Bomholm Island, very large), Czecho¬ slovakia (to which they returned over 20 years later). Yugoslavia, Iran (the only casein which, there was sny controversy over their withdrawal), China (Man¬ churia, where they allowed our planes to replace them with Chiang Kai-shek's anti-Communist forces), and, shortly - afterward, Korea (before the Korean War). -.:' You may verify this by going to the Fresno State library and looking through the files of the N.Y. Times or any other source'of that day you please. Don't look in later sources because we have simply 'forgotten* that in history books as part of the Cold War. Nothing but a third world war could have forced the Red Army out against Moscow's will. .';•; ' ' —:— Such a war was politically impossible because the people of the West were grateful to the Soviets for having saved them millions of casunrben. As early as 1942, long before the Allies landed in France and before Lend-Lease was able to-reach the USSR in quantity, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill said: 'Russia has already inflicted injuries upon the German military organism which will, I believe, prove ultimately fatal.' This gratitude created serious political difficulties when the U.S. launched the Cold War in the hope of proceeding to a hot war that would wipe off the face of the earth the communist alternative to the capitalist system. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, the Brzezinski of his day, wrote in the 1960s: 'To compel the country to bear the burden involved - in mnmiainino; powerful armed forces, it is necessary to create an emotional" atmosphere resembling the psychologi¬ cal conditions of wartime. The notion of a threat from without must be cre¬ ated." He bad admitted earlier that no such threat existed, in a speech of March 8, 1949: "So far as it is humanly possible to judge, the Soviet government, under conditions now prevailing, does not con¬ template the use of war as an instrument of its national policy. "I do not know any responsible high official, military or civilian, of this government or any government, woo believes that the Soviet state now plans conquest by open military aggression.* (my emphasis—W. M.) As I read history, it was Dulles' plan for U.S. "conquest by open military aggression,.* which we now know, as first-strike policy, that faced the Russians to take their action in Czecho¬ slovakia in 1988, with consequences that have made Europe the. least dangerous place an earth right now in terms of the possibility of world war. . The same holds for Afghanistan Brzezinski, responded to a face-to-face question by U.C. Berkeley student body president Karen Westmont: "So what if there is covert activity by the CIA there?' (Daily Califoraian, 2/19/801. The key to the Afghan situation was pro¬ vided in an article in the Washington Post, 5/13/79, by the man who had been its correspondent in South Asia since. "That's right Get your hooks into a full, three-quarter, half, or partial summer scholarship to the'Academy of Art College. The only bait necessary to catch a live one is your talent If you are a high school, junior college, college, or university student and have a portfolio to show us, you might just land a big one. The scholarships will be awarded and winners will be announced during the first week of June. If you should turn out to be a winner, you'll join us on Monday, June 23.1980. for six weeks of study. Look at it this way, you're not losing a summer, you might just gain a career. WRITE FOR INFORMATION. -This Summer Fish For a Summer Scholarship.* A Academy of Art College * . 625 Sutter St., San Francisco, CA 94102 1982, under the headline "The Shah, not the Kremlin, Touched Off Afghan IBs most important sentence reads: 'Beginning in 1974'... Iran, encouraged by the United States, made a determined effort to draw Kabul into a western tilted, Tehran-centered regional eco¬ nomic and security sphere embracing Pakistan, India, and the Persian Gulf states:* (my emphasis-W.M.) It was five years before the Russians' patience ran out and they acted last December. Would our patience last that' long if Moscow had tried to draw Canada or Mexico into an anti-U.S. alliance? If you're interested in my full documenta¬ tion of Afghanistan, write KPFA, Berkeley (KFCF's home station),.for a copy of its April Folio (free), containing my article, "Brzezinski's Afghan Joke.* Address: 2207 Shattuck Ave., Berkeley 94704. . William M. Mandel Cypher on target TotheEditor; I have been following the letters in the Collegian concerning the 'Panel Discus¬ sion on Soviet Foreign Policy* with little real concern until now. I suppose in a sense I was delighted to see the History Club get some publicity, but I am con¬ cerned with the direction this contro¬ versy is taking. It is one thing to carry on a debate on this very controversial issue, but quite another thing to resort to character attacks and attempts to discredit a per¬ son'a integrity. As President of the History Club, and organizer of the 'Panel Discussion* I feel I must clarify any possible misun¬ derstandings as to the intent of this pop- standings as to the intent of this pro¬ duction. When the History Club was consider¬ ing possible topics to present this sem¬ ester Dr. Jones suggested the timely and controversial subject of Afghanistan. We decided to have it the topic of our first meeting. Having limited knowledge of the subject myself, I asked Dr. Jones who he felt we should invite to partici¬ pate. He suggested Dr. Alfred Evans, Pro, feasor of Political Science; Dr. Robert E. Lee, Professor of Geography; Dickran Kouymjian. Professor of Ethnic Studies: Tires-Tubes-Wheela' CSUF Discount with ID Tjre Corral Inc. Cedar &McKinley 262-0416 CSUF • OPTORlTjOTriES FOR Over $700.00 per month may be yours if you are a junior majoring in math, science or engineering, or with a background in calculus and physics. For an inter¬ view call Robb Ferriman, U.S. Navy Officer Pro- grams in Fresno at 487-5323 or sign up at the placement office. An officer programs rep. will be on campus 19 & 20ofM«rrh 19fif) Dr. Gbofem Dergshi, Prc*Bseor^of Political Science; and Dr. James Cypher, Professor of Eccromcs. The Httbrv Club invited each professor to partici¬ pate. All but one agreed. Dr. Dargahi baffled me with his re- ' fusal to participate. He felt his approach to the subject would be different from the conventional approach and might cause repercussions for turn. _" He felt his position as an Iranian would create controversy as well as hut socialist philosophy. 1 attempted to per- . suade himto participate in order to pre¬ vent a one-sided view of the issue and suggested his participation would cer¬ tainly provide us with useful insight; I tried to convince him that all parties involved would treat the subject with professional integrity and that personal attacks would surely not occur. I bate to admit that he was right. I am afraid that Dr. Cypher's unconventional stance has brought upon him the very repercussions that Dr. Dargahi avoided. - I also recall that we decided that no guidelines would be established which the speakers had 'o follow. In fact we were hoping'that differing views would be presented in order to promote lively discussion. I did, however, ask each pro¬ fessor beforehand how they would approach the subject. I asked Dr. Jones what area he was going to cover. He informed me that his knowledge in the area was limited and that he would rather play the part of moderator. In view of recent letters to the'editor. Dr. Jones must have taken a crash course in Soviet Foreign Policy in Afghanistan. I find it puzzling that he did not take Dr. Cypher to task on sny of the issues be argues now in letters to the editor during the History Club Panel Discus¬ sion. Perhaps at the time he saw the pos¬ itive response from the audience to what Dr. Cypher was saying. Dr. Cypher's approach was not to limit the riiarnwaoii to the morally self-righteous stance that ~5 Americans have taken toward the Soviet Union. He acknowledged the fact of Soviet Imperialism, but he also sug¬ gested that we should consider our own military and eccinornic mteiventianist In my opinion Dr. Cypher was right- on-target. It is extremely dangerous to omtmucwithanattitucleoftumaBl-viaian toward the world-gearing our hatreds to¬ ward the Soviet Union. Hatred toward the United States is rsmpant in the Third World Countries. Maybe we access our own foreign policy. i haven't bean as blatant in our recent interventions. We train SAVAC forces-we don't« own military. I recall another speaker in the discus¬ sion, Dr. Kouymjian, asking why we were so interested with Afghanistan after years of Soviet presence in the area. Why the great interest in the Middle East? In response to la. own question he suggested that oil has deter¬ mined our fcreign policy. We have meddled in the politic* of the area of our suicidal ctofairmiBnce upon petroleum products. He imilml that until we »nsniw«t» this ilrit)lirir**,7i the area will be the hot-bed 0< political unrest. In response to Dr. Jones i that Marxists are not I murders, I say tell me the behind supporting the Shah, or porting Sornosa or Trujillo. TaB me of * humanitarian motives of Imperialism I Sara Preaicient.The' |