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V v • * .Tuesday, Jan. 27,1987, 'MHOL1 Page 5 o; RESPONSE Continued from page 2 coordinator but also to the students and faculty at CSUF. The article you printed not only misquotes our statements but also portrays our views different from what we intended. We agreed to cooperate in being interviewed for the article, not only in hopes that the NSE program be recognized, but also to express our views about the program here at Fresno. We hoped the article would gain positive recognition for the program. When being interviewed, our main dissatisfaction with the program was that the Associated Students has failed to recognize the NSE program as an organized group and therefore have not given us any funds whatsoever toward our program. You failed to mention this in your article. We are very upset with their decision because we feel the Associated Students (which represents the student body) expresses very liule, if no interest in our program by not supporting us. The NSE program offers students an excellent opportunity to study at other colleges and universities all over the United States. We feel we have greatly benefited from the program, but we would appreciate more support by students and faculty. We are very aware of the NSE programs at other schools and note at how organized and supported they are, not only by the student associations, but the entire faculty. They are thought of as guests and treated in such a manner. We would like to express our disappointment"with the student association here at CSUF. We hope that in the future, their decision be a more supportive one concerning the NSE program. Being so far away from home and our families is a very big adjustment for us, and we would appreciate any support, by not only the Associated Students, but also the NSE program in general. Patti Maier, University of Delaware Marie Purcell, Trenton State College Dana Rubin, University of Massachusetts Vicki Streckfuss, University of Delaware Students oppressed Dear Editor, How do schools oppress the students? 'Have you ever paid close attention to the manner in which the classrooms arc conducted? It seems that the basic manner is always, the teaching from instructor to student, and on few, if any occasions, it may be student to teacher. What docs this mean? If you look back at how the instructors introduced themselves when you first walked into their classrooms, they made sure you knew who the "boss" was. Their lesson plans were all ready, and they were follwed almost to the tec. Confused? Please allow me to continue. The classroom setting was always the instructor in front of the classroom with books opened in front of her. Rarely would she close the book and ask the students what they thought of the lesson. She would just tell you what she knew. It seemed that the instructor was always right. If you gave a certain point of view you were downgraded because you were not stating the specific examples described in the lesson. So wherc's the oppression? .How many times do you recall being allowed by the » "boss" to contribute an idea or experience of your own without including examples or information in the text? Do you recall the frustration of having a lot to share, things you knew would help your classmates and teacher understand and develop the various issues in different perspectives? • How can we as students learn and truly develop an understanding about the various issues and problems we confront if we are taught only the history and the experiences of our instructor? How can our instructor know and help us in our educational development? They do not even ask us what - we think and where we stand. It is not possible that both the students and instructors can learn from one another thhroughThe sharing of ideas, doubts and hopes? Yes? We can. As we go higher in education, we find that there are very few instructors that arc interested in their students' intellectual development and who ask them to contribute to their education by sharing their ideas and points of view. I find that it is unfair to have to sit in a classroom for eight or two hours and not be able to contribute to my education in some way. I especially detest the attitude some tenured instructors, in the higher learning schools, have toward the students in education. Some of these tenured instructors become indifferent to their work. They carry out the same lesson plans that they had when they first began to teach. In the classrooms, their lectures are boring because they no longer have the enthusiasm they once had. It is like they stand in front of the room and lecture with the attitude of This is what I know, take it or leave it. Don't interrupt me." Their education spirts are dead. How , do they expect us to "get into" the class. It would be unrealistic to say that there exists someone who has all the answers to all the questions raised in the classroom. No matter how many degrees we have, earned, no one has all the answers. I believe that we can leam and explore the various possible answers. I believe that we can leam and explore the various possible answers to questions raised by working together rather than trying to overpower each other with authority. There seems to be a lack of challenge and critical thinking in the lectures. Soon, students become disinterested in the courses and thus attend class only because it is the insturctor's rule or requirement for the final grade. Our thought process is further developed in the clasrooms. It is often stressed that education is important and beneficial for the intellectual growth, but more needs to be done to accomplish this. I am tired of hearing my instructors assert their points of views on the subjects they teach. I appreciate the time and effort some instructors contribute for my ^rttellectual growth, but I want to learn how to develop my own mind. I want the feedom to express my thoughts and ideas without having the instructor say that that is not how "so and so" says it should be done. I want to leam not only, from my instructors, but from my peers who will become my leaders and my colleagues in the future. I am willing to listen to my instructors' suggestions only if they do not force them on me but rather encourage me to be objective and then develop original ideas. It does not have to be teacher/student or student/teacher, it can be both with- the instructor serving as a monitor and assistant to the historical information. We can lean and work together by sharing and exploring past and present issues. We can leam form each other rather than simply taking information like a machine. Education is without a doubt an essential tool for the development and continuation of our society. I do not wish to ignore what others have learned, but I do not want to be a recorder who only takes in the data and concepts that others have formed. I want to be challenged. Angie Reynoso 65 reasons why you should teach with software from the Academic Courseware Exchange ALPAL Appletones Bibliomania Brainchild Grade "\ CLR Anova - student version , Drexel Plot Electromagnetism - Physics Simulations II Factor ) [: Exploratoiy Factor Analysis ForthTalk Library General Chemistry, Multiplan Templates 'Huckel Molecular Orbitals » Lesson Writer LogiMac MacVoice Matrix Algebra Modern Physics - Physics Simulations III Molecular Editor Demo Pascal Pointers Problem Solving Interpreter , PROSE Student Reed Applications II Signal Operations SocStat , Standardizing Recipe Characteristics. Student Atlas - Counties Student Atlas - World , The Data Desk - student version The TheaterGame TLS: Transmission Line Simulator Touthiype Treaty of Versailles & Turing's World ^ Animated Waves and Particles By the time you read this, there will be more reasons. Kinko's rapidly growing Academic Courseware Exchange offers educational software for the Apple™ Macintosh™ and Apple II family df computers, all at costs comparable to textbooks. Call us for more information, or come in for a free catalog today. kinko's • < ^, > Great copies. Great people. 225-0513 2371 East Shaw (at Maple across from CSUF) Atlas and Overlay Binary Trees BRS Simulator Curriculum Comparer Drill Event Tutor ForthTalk Kernel FunPlot GeoStructures LaserTerminal Lesson Writer for Chemistry Lessons MacSimplex Mastering Statistics with Spreadsheets Mechanics - Physics Simulations Volume I Model Neuron Molecular Editor Mozart Personal ResumeWriter PROSE Instructor Reed Applications I Scientist's Helper Skel SocStudy Standardizing Recipes and Ingredients' Student Atlas - USA Test and Questionnaire Construction Kit The SmallGol Compiler The Would-Be Gentleman Tools for Writers Transforms, Windows, Modulation... Trial Quiz Venn: A Philosphy Tutor ,"
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Title | 1987_01 The Daily Collegian January 1987 |
Alternative Title | Daily Collegian (California State University, Fresno) |
Publisher | Associated Students of Fresno State, Fresno, Calif. |
Publication Date | 1987 |
Description | Daily (except weedends) during the school year. Microfilm. Palo Alto, Calif.: BMI Library Microfilms, 1986- microfilm reels; 35 mm. Vol.1, no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- |
Subject | California State University, Fresno -- Periodicals. |
Contributors | Associated Students of Fresno State. |
Coverage | Vol.1 no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- to present |
Format | Microfilm reels, 35 mm. |
Technical Information | Scanned at 600 dpi; TIFF; Microfilm ScanPro 2000 "E-image data" |
Language | eng |
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Title | January 27, 1987, Page 5 |
Alternative Title | Daily Collegian (California State University, Fresno) |
Publisher | Associated Students of Fresno State, Fresno, Calif. |
Publication Date | 1987 |
Description | Daily (except weedends) during the school year. Microfilm. Palo Alto, Calif.: BMI Library Microfilms, 1986- microfilm reels; 35 mm. Vol.1, no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- |
Subject | California State University, Fresno -- Periodicals. |
Contributors | Associated Students of Fresno State. |
Coverage | Vol.1 no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- to present |
Format | Microfilm reels, 35 mm. |
Technical Information | Scanned at 600 dpi; TIFF; Microfilm ScanPro 2000 "E-image data" |
Language | eng |
Full-Text-Search | V v • * .Tuesday, Jan. 27,1987, 'MHOL1 Page 5 o; RESPONSE Continued from page 2 coordinator but also to the students and faculty at CSUF. The article you printed not only misquotes our statements but also portrays our views different from what we intended. We agreed to cooperate in being interviewed for the article, not only in hopes that the NSE program be recognized, but also to express our views about the program here at Fresno. We hoped the article would gain positive recognition for the program. When being interviewed, our main dissatisfaction with the program was that the Associated Students has failed to recognize the NSE program as an organized group and therefore have not given us any funds whatsoever toward our program. You failed to mention this in your article. We are very upset with their decision because we feel the Associated Students (which represents the student body) expresses very liule, if no interest in our program by not supporting us. The NSE program offers students an excellent opportunity to study at other colleges and universities all over the United States. We feel we have greatly benefited from the program, but we would appreciate more support by students and faculty. We are very aware of the NSE programs at other schools and note at how organized and supported they are, not only by the student associations, but the entire faculty. They are thought of as guests and treated in such a manner. We would like to express our disappointment"with the student association here at CSUF. We hope that in the future, their decision be a more supportive one concerning the NSE program. Being so far away from home and our families is a very big adjustment for us, and we would appreciate any support, by not only the Associated Students, but also the NSE program in general. Patti Maier, University of Delaware Marie Purcell, Trenton State College Dana Rubin, University of Massachusetts Vicki Streckfuss, University of Delaware Students oppressed Dear Editor, How do schools oppress the students? 'Have you ever paid close attention to the manner in which the classrooms arc conducted? It seems that the basic manner is always, the teaching from instructor to student, and on few, if any occasions, it may be student to teacher. What docs this mean? If you look back at how the instructors introduced themselves when you first walked into their classrooms, they made sure you knew who the "boss" was. Their lesson plans were all ready, and they were follwed almost to the tec. Confused? Please allow me to continue. The classroom setting was always the instructor in front of the classroom with books opened in front of her. Rarely would she close the book and ask the students what they thought of the lesson. She would just tell you what she knew. It seemed that the instructor was always right. If you gave a certain point of view you were downgraded because you were not stating the specific examples described in the lesson. So wherc's the oppression? .How many times do you recall being allowed by the » "boss" to contribute an idea or experience of your own without including examples or information in the text? Do you recall the frustration of having a lot to share, things you knew would help your classmates and teacher understand and develop the various issues in different perspectives? • How can we as students learn and truly develop an understanding about the various issues and problems we confront if we are taught only the history and the experiences of our instructor? How can our instructor know and help us in our educational development? They do not even ask us what - we think and where we stand. It is not possible that both the students and instructors can learn from one another thhroughThe sharing of ideas, doubts and hopes? Yes? We can. As we go higher in education, we find that there are very few instructors that arc interested in their students' intellectual development and who ask them to contribute to their education by sharing their ideas and points of view. I find that it is unfair to have to sit in a classroom for eight or two hours and not be able to contribute to my education in some way. I especially detest the attitude some tenured instructors, in the higher learning schools, have toward the students in education. Some of these tenured instructors become indifferent to their work. They carry out the same lesson plans that they had when they first began to teach. In the classrooms, their lectures are boring because they no longer have the enthusiasm they once had. It is like they stand in front of the room and lecture with the attitude of This is what I know, take it or leave it. Don't interrupt me." Their education spirts are dead. How , do they expect us to "get into" the class. It would be unrealistic to say that there exists someone who has all the answers to all the questions raised in the classroom. No matter how many degrees we have, earned, no one has all the answers. I believe that we can leam and explore the various possible answers. I believe that we can leam and explore the various possible answers to questions raised by working together rather than trying to overpower each other with authority. There seems to be a lack of challenge and critical thinking in the lectures. Soon, students become disinterested in the courses and thus attend class only because it is the insturctor's rule or requirement for the final grade. Our thought process is further developed in the clasrooms. It is often stressed that education is important and beneficial for the intellectual growth, but more needs to be done to accomplish this. I am tired of hearing my instructors assert their points of views on the subjects they teach. I appreciate the time and effort some instructors contribute for my ^rttellectual growth, but I want to learn how to develop my own mind. I want the feedom to express my thoughts and ideas without having the instructor say that that is not how "so and so" says it should be done. I want to leam not only, from my instructors, but from my peers who will become my leaders and my colleagues in the future. I am willing to listen to my instructors' suggestions only if they do not force them on me but rather encourage me to be objective and then develop original ideas. It does not have to be teacher/student or student/teacher, it can be both with- the instructor serving as a monitor and assistant to the historical information. We can lean and work together by sharing and exploring past and present issues. We can leam form each other rather than simply taking information like a machine. Education is without a doubt an essential tool for the development and continuation of our society. I do not wish to ignore what others have learned, but I do not want to be a recorder who only takes in the data and concepts that others have formed. I want to be challenged. Angie Reynoso 65 reasons why you should teach with software from the Academic Courseware Exchange ALPAL Appletones Bibliomania Brainchild Grade "\ CLR Anova - student version , Drexel Plot Electromagnetism - Physics Simulations II Factor ) [: Exploratoiy Factor Analysis ForthTalk Library General Chemistry, Multiplan Templates 'Huckel Molecular Orbitals » Lesson Writer LogiMac MacVoice Matrix Algebra Modern Physics - Physics Simulations III Molecular Editor Demo Pascal Pointers Problem Solving Interpreter , PROSE Student Reed Applications II Signal Operations SocStat , Standardizing Recipe Characteristics. Student Atlas - Counties Student Atlas - World , The Data Desk - student version The TheaterGame TLS: Transmission Line Simulator Touthiype Treaty of Versailles & Turing's World ^ Animated Waves and Particles By the time you read this, there will be more reasons. Kinko's rapidly growing Academic Courseware Exchange offers educational software for the Apple™ Macintosh™ and Apple II family df computers, all at costs comparable to textbooks. Call us for more information, or come in for a free catalog today. kinko's • < ^, > Great copies. Great people. 225-0513 2371 East Shaw (at Maple across from CSUF) Atlas and Overlay Binary Trees BRS Simulator Curriculum Comparer Drill Event Tutor ForthTalk Kernel FunPlot GeoStructures LaserTerminal Lesson Writer for Chemistry Lessons MacSimplex Mastering Statistics with Spreadsheets Mechanics - Physics Simulations Volume I Model Neuron Molecular Editor Mozart Personal ResumeWriter PROSE Instructor Reed Applications I Scientist's Helper Skel SocStudy Standardizing Recipes and Ingredients' Student Atlas - USA Test and Questionnaire Construction Kit The SmallGol Compiler The Would-Be Gentleman Tools for Writers Transforms, Windows, Modulation... Trial Quiz Venn: A Philosphy Tutor ," |