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• • I ""■} . Tuesday, Jan. 27,1987, Page 2 Death penalty needs aborting It seems there are a lot ot people who support the death penalty but oppose abortion. This seems to be a hypocritical thing because those who oppose abortion argue their point on the grounds that a human life should not be taken. A couple of friends of mine and I mulled over that subject the other day. It began with a comment by my friend, I'll call Alex, who did anything but hide his joy because of the beginning of a new era for the state Supreme court. He said he was thrilled that ex-Chief Justice Rose Bird and her liberal "cronies" Cruz Reynoso and Stanley Mosk were removed from the court by die state's voters. He said the voters were obviously tired of letting murderers get off "without their due Neither I nor my'other friend. Bill, said anything to him. Alex likes to talk, but he likes to hear himself talk even more. "Some people have to know that they will have to pay the price if they are going to do something as abhorrent as to take ' another human being's life, " he said. "But what about the people who take the murderers' life?" Bill snapped back. At this point I knew a good argument was going to happen because Bill and Alex often disagree. I do not know if it is because they like to argue or because they really do disagree, but their arguments are always interesting because neither one likes to back down. "What about them?" "Well" said Bill, "it seems that if the murderer is punished for taking a human life by having his life taken, then someone will have to take his life Right?" "Right." ■ "What happens to that person?" "Nothing happens to that person," said Alex, "because that person will be doing his job." "Then you're saying that it's all right for the person who is doing his job to kill the murderer because that's what he's paid for? "But what about the morality of taking another human being's life?" Alex figured out what Bill was trying to get at and quickly said, "You're not going to give me that sanctity of life speech again are Reader Response to Daily Collegian articles and opinions are welcome. Send letters no longer than 250 words in length to Daily Collegian, Keats Campus Bldg.. CSUF Fresno. CA 93740. Letters must be signed and include the writer's name, address and telephone number. Adviser questioned Dear Editor, I am writing in response to the article "CSUF students switch schools," which mh in The Dailly Collegian Dec. IS. I am ver/ unhappy with the responses that were given by S a bin a Jacques who is the program coordinator at CSUF for the National Students Exchange Program. ' * In the article, students commented on how the program has had a lack of organization. Students travel from all across the United States to attend several of our state schools in California. The impression they have gotten from Fresno and the KENNEL COPY CENTER Two self-service & two clerk operated copiers capable of reductions, enlargements, transparencies, and labels. MORE MACHINES FOR: Buttons * Posters * Engraving * Folding * Laminating * Imprinting • Binding SPECIAL ORDERS FOR: Wedding Invitations Business Cards Christmafe Cards * . MDN-THURS 7:45am-7:00pm FRI 7:45am4:30pm CLOSED ON SATURDAY & SUNDAY WALK UP WINDOW 4:30-7K)0ptn Located in the lower level KENNEL.I OOKSTOR you? Ill admit that it is terrible that society has to go to such a measures as take another person's life, but it is necessary to prevent the murderer from killing more people. So you're not simply killing one person, but you're saving the lives of others." Bill grinned and said, "If you can justify killing a human being, how can you oppose abortion in all instances?" "Those are two different things," Alex said. "But aren't the arguments against each similar? The arguments against the death penalty and against abortion are both based on the immorality of the taking of a human life, in all instances. But many people like you who oppose abortion because a human being is killed turn around arid justify taking a murderer's life for the good of society. You say that it is never moral to abort a fetus but iris all right to take a person's life in certain cases. Which is it?" Alex responded very casually, "Which is what?" "Which is the proper way to look at the taking of a human life?" Bill asked." Is it always wrong, which would mean that both abortion ai ,d the death penalty are immoral. The other option is saying the death penalty and abortion are all right in certain instances, which means one can justify the death of a human being. "If you value human life, then you value it in all instances, period" "But you're not looking at the lives that the murderer may have taken if he was allowed back into society," Alex said. 'Their • lives are saved because the murderer won't kill them." "But you can use that same argument for abortion. Too often in dealing with the subject of abortion, people focus on the fetus argument. They only look at the life of the fetus as I did when I was arguing about the murderers life. You pointed out that when the murderer is killed, it isn't so much as taking his life as saving the life of his potential victims. The same argument applies here. If the fetus is taken to full term, what is the potential effect on the life of the mother, the father or their friends and families? 'I'll admit that too often abortion is simply used as birth control for those who find it inconvenient to have a baby, but in many cases the economic and emotional effects will be much worse than if the fetus were aborted, f. "Also, there are other ways of removing the murderer from society. You can keep him in jail or try to rehabilitate him." Alex interrunted, "But society has to pay him." ' "Yes, but that's the easy way out If we . as a society claim to have high moral values we should make the attempt See ABORT, page 8 national coordinator at this school has not left a good picture. Many of the students leaving at the semester will leave with an unpleasant attitude about Fresno. , Jacques, in my opinion, has put little if any effort into her job. She stated, "You do what you can do, and I don't feel it's my responsibility." From my point of view, I feel she does not have the time to give it her all due to the fact that she holds another job. Jacques also stated that the program itself needs three to four years to become successful. How can one say that after being coordinator in Oregon from the same program for 10 years? You would think from 10 years experience she would have her act together. In conclusion, I feel that we as a CSU school should make students from other states more accepted and have a more organized program for them. Teresa Lehon Program explained Dear Editor. We are writing in response to the article "CSUF students switch schools," which was in The Daily Collegian Dec. 15. The article dealt with the National Student Exchange Program here at CSUF. We would like to set our views straight not only to our See RESPONSE, pag«\ 5 Whatever the assignment. Pilot has the ' formula for wnting comfort and precision. t Bad Point Pen, in medium and fine points. . lets you breeze through long note-taking sessions. Infcct we've made writer's fatigue a thing of the past! This crystal barreled veteran of the campus has a nbbed finger grip for continuous comfort and is perfectly balanced for effertk^s writing Best of all it s refillable. The perfect teammate to the Better Ball Point Pen is Pilot's Pencilier 0.5mm mechanical pencil. It has a continuous lead feed system and a cushion tip that helps eliminate the frustration of lead breakage. The PencilieT's jumbo eraser does the job cleanly while the ribbed gnp offers the same comfort as the Better Ball Point Pen Pick up the Pilot Team at your campus-bookstore today... The Better Ball Point Pen and The Pencilier. [PILOT]. — • *» >+>
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Title | 1987_01 The Daily Collegian January 1987 |
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Publisher | Associated Students of Fresno State, Fresno, Calif. |
Publication Date | 1987 |
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Title | January 27, 1987, Page 2 |
Alternative Title | Daily Collegian (California State University, Fresno) |
Publisher | Associated Students of Fresno State, Fresno, Calif. |
Publication Date | 1987 |
Description | Daily (except weedends) during the school year. Microfilm. Palo Alto, Calif.: BMI Library Microfilms, 1986- microfilm reels; 35 mm. Vol.1, no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- |
Subject | California State University, Fresno -- Periodicals. |
Contributors | Associated Students of Fresno State. |
Coverage | Vol.1 no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- to present |
Format | Microfilm reels, 35 mm. |
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Full-Text-Search | • • I ""■} . Tuesday, Jan. 27,1987, Page 2 Death penalty needs aborting It seems there are a lot ot people who support the death penalty but oppose abortion. This seems to be a hypocritical thing because those who oppose abortion argue their point on the grounds that a human life should not be taken. A couple of friends of mine and I mulled over that subject the other day. It began with a comment by my friend, I'll call Alex, who did anything but hide his joy because of the beginning of a new era for the state Supreme court. He said he was thrilled that ex-Chief Justice Rose Bird and her liberal "cronies" Cruz Reynoso and Stanley Mosk were removed from the court by die state's voters. He said the voters were obviously tired of letting murderers get off "without their due Neither I nor my'other friend. Bill, said anything to him. Alex likes to talk, but he likes to hear himself talk even more. "Some people have to know that they will have to pay the price if they are going to do something as abhorrent as to take ' another human being's life, " he said. "But what about the people who take the murderers' life?" Bill snapped back. At this point I knew a good argument was going to happen because Bill and Alex often disagree. I do not know if it is because they like to argue or because they really do disagree, but their arguments are always interesting because neither one likes to back down. "What about them?" "Well" said Bill, "it seems that if the murderer is punished for taking a human life by having his life taken, then someone will have to take his life Right?" "Right." ■ "What happens to that person?" "Nothing happens to that person," said Alex, "because that person will be doing his job." "Then you're saying that it's all right for the person who is doing his job to kill the murderer because that's what he's paid for? "But what about the morality of taking another human being's life?" Alex figured out what Bill was trying to get at and quickly said, "You're not going to give me that sanctity of life speech again are Reader Response to Daily Collegian articles and opinions are welcome. Send letters no longer than 250 words in length to Daily Collegian, Keats Campus Bldg.. CSUF Fresno. CA 93740. Letters must be signed and include the writer's name, address and telephone number. Adviser questioned Dear Editor, I am writing in response to the article "CSUF students switch schools," which mh in The Dailly Collegian Dec. IS. I am ver/ unhappy with the responses that were given by S a bin a Jacques who is the program coordinator at CSUF for the National Students Exchange Program. ' * In the article, students commented on how the program has had a lack of organization. Students travel from all across the United States to attend several of our state schools in California. The impression they have gotten from Fresno and the KENNEL COPY CENTER Two self-service & two clerk operated copiers capable of reductions, enlargements, transparencies, and labels. MORE MACHINES FOR: Buttons * Posters * Engraving * Folding * Laminating * Imprinting • Binding SPECIAL ORDERS FOR: Wedding Invitations Business Cards Christmafe Cards * . MDN-THURS 7:45am-7:00pm FRI 7:45am4:30pm CLOSED ON SATURDAY & SUNDAY WALK UP WINDOW 4:30-7K)0ptn Located in the lower level KENNEL.I OOKSTOR you? Ill admit that it is terrible that society has to go to such a measures as take another person's life, but it is necessary to prevent the murderer from killing more people. So you're not simply killing one person, but you're saving the lives of others." Bill grinned and said, "If you can justify killing a human being, how can you oppose abortion in all instances?" "Those are two different things," Alex said. "But aren't the arguments against each similar? The arguments against the death penalty and against abortion are both based on the immorality of the taking of a human life, in all instances. But many people like you who oppose abortion because a human being is killed turn around arid justify taking a murderer's life for the good of society. You say that it is never moral to abort a fetus but iris all right to take a person's life in certain cases. Which is it?" Alex responded very casually, "Which is what?" "Which is the proper way to look at the taking of a human life?" Bill asked." Is it always wrong, which would mean that both abortion ai ,d the death penalty are immoral. The other option is saying the death penalty and abortion are all right in certain instances, which means one can justify the death of a human being. "If you value human life, then you value it in all instances, period" "But you're not looking at the lives that the murderer may have taken if he was allowed back into society," Alex said. 'Their • lives are saved because the murderer won't kill them." "But you can use that same argument for abortion. Too often in dealing with the subject of abortion, people focus on the fetus argument. They only look at the life of the fetus as I did when I was arguing about the murderers life. You pointed out that when the murderer is killed, it isn't so much as taking his life as saving the life of his potential victims. The same argument applies here. If the fetus is taken to full term, what is the potential effect on the life of the mother, the father or their friends and families? 'I'll admit that too often abortion is simply used as birth control for those who find it inconvenient to have a baby, but in many cases the economic and emotional effects will be much worse than if the fetus were aborted, f. "Also, there are other ways of removing the murderer from society. You can keep him in jail or try to rehabilitate him." Alex interrunted, "But society has to pay him." ' "Yes, but that's the easy way out If we . as a society claim to have high moral values we should make the attempt See ABORT, page 8 national coordinator at this school has not left a good picture. Many of the students leaving at the semester will leave with an unpleasant attitude about Fresno. , Jacques, in my opinion, has put little if any effort into her job. She stated, "You do what you can do, and I don't feel it's my responsibility." From my point of view, I feel she does not have the time to give it her all due to the fact that she holds another job. Jacques also stated that the program itself needs three to four years to become successful. How can one say that after being coordinator in Oregon from the same program for 10 years? You would think from 10 years experience she would have her act together. In conclusion, I feel that we as a CSU school should make students from other states more accepted and have a more organized program for them. Teresa Lehon Program explained Dear Editor. We are writing in response to the article "CSUF students switch schools," which was in The Daily Collegian Dec. 15. The article dealt with the National Student Exchange Program here at CSUF. We would like to set our views straight not only to our See RESPONSE, pag«\ 5 Whatever the assignment. Pilot has the ' formula for wnting comfort and precision. t Bad Point Pen, in medium and fine points. . lets you breeze through long note-taking sessions. Infcct we've made writer's fatigue a thing of the past! This crystal barreled veteran of the campus has a nbbed finger grip for continuous comfort and is perfectly balanced for effertk^s writing Best of all it s refillable. The perfect teammate to the Better Ball Point Pen is Pilot's Pencilier 0.5mm mechanical pencil. It has a continuous lead feed system and a cushion tip that helps eliminate the frustration of lead breakage. The PencilieT's jumbo eraser does the job cleanly while the ribbed gnp offers the same comfort as the Better Ball Point Pen Pick up the Pilot Team at your campus-bookstore today... The Better Ball Point Pen and The Pencilier. [PILOT]. — • *» >+> |